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Quote: Originally Posted by kaly First off - thank you, I'm very glad you enjoyed it! 
Second - I agree wholeheartedly about the family dynamics angle. I'll admit I'm an only child but I've had enough friends with siblings that there's been a thousand times (well, ya know *g*) that I've watched Sam and could only see the perfect example of a normal little brother who grew up secure in his place in the world. And, to his counter-point, Dean is such a brilliant example of what the bestest-big-brother-evah would be. But I might possibly be biased on both points. 
And I'll admit, the reaction made me consider giving up the fic writing gig for a bit but I think I've pushed that reaction back for the time being. Right now I'm being stubborn about nto letting them win. 
Oh, no way! You're stuff is too much fun to read. Besides, you should never give up something you like to do for people you don't like. It's never a good trade! P.S. I'm an only child too, and I don't know about you, but I hated it! I always wanted an older brother - although a Dean-type would've been a bit much! |
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Quote: Originally Posted by angie4P.S. I'm an only child too, and I don't know about you, but I hated it! I always wanted an older brother - although a Dean-type would've been a bit much!
*lol* That's too funny. I've wanted an older brother for as long as I can remember - and I could totally go for a Dean-type. In theory. *bg* It'd be great till it got smothering.
Topic? What topic? Um... Anyone else hoping this episode gets deleted scenes on the DVDs? Of all the season two episodes, I think I want some most for this one, thus far. And I don't know about y'all but I wish they'd cough up a score for SPN, especially this sesaon - the music is beautiful of late.
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Quote: Originally Posted by kaly
Anyone else hoping this episode gets deleted scenes on the DVDs? Of all the season two episodes, I think I want some most for this one, thus far. And I don't know about y'all but I wish they'd cough up a score for SPN, especially this sesaon - the music is beautiful of late.
Sci-fi.com reported last year that a music score (the composed music, not the rock n' roll unfortunately) was about to be released...even had sample tracks to listen to, but it never appeared. Strange.
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Quote: Originally Posted by kalyQuote: Originally Posted by angie4 I just have to say, I read your fic (and the reviews) and loved it! I thought that anonymous reviewer was hilariously ignorant, too. I've never seen Sam as selfish; in many ways, he's really just the epitome of the youngest child, and that put him in the position of having less responsibility and more independence, and like many normal children, he used it to run away to college. I think many problems with EDGs stem from their apparant lack of understanding of how family dynamics work; they don't seem to grasp Sam's position as the youngest sibling and where his mentality comes from, or of Dean's role as the older brother. It seems to me that these EDGs base their opinions more on Jensen Ackles' hotness than the brilliantly real family dynamic on the show (and I'll be the first to admit, I think Jensen is cuter than Jared). First off - thank you, I'm very glad you enjoyed it! Second - I agree wholeheartedly about the family dynamics angle. I'll admit I'm an only child but I've had enough friends with siblings that there's been a thousand times (well, ya know *g*) that I've watched Sam and could only see the perfect example of a normal little brother who grew up secure in his place in the world. And, to his counter-point, Dean is such a brilliant example of what the bestest-big-brother-evah would be. But I might possibly be biased on both points. Mostly, for whatever reason, I just never expected that little ep tag to bring out quite such, um, venomous comments toward a character I love. And I can't even say I've been naive toward the EDGs, as I've done time over at TWoP. And I'll admit, the reaction made me consider giving up the fic writing gig for a bit but I think I've pushed that reaction back for the time being. Right now I'm being stubborn about nto letting them win. I don't understand how people can watch this show if they hate Sam's character so much - because really, what do they want?? The Dean show? What makes Supernatural interesting is the relationship between the brothers, and I don't know about you guys but pretty much the sole reason I like Sam-angst is because I like to see Dean's caring side, so you'd think that would also apply vice-versa - you know, the EDGs like to see Sammy's caring side (which is HUGE!!!) come out. So thats why the EDGs DRIVE ME CRAZY!! I thought this episode was really a Dean-focused episode rather than the Sam episode I was expecting (which was actually fine by me - I loved it!) and really Sam's possession had nothing to do with Sam at all - it was Meg trying to get back at Dean for exorcising her in Devil's trap, and Sam just happened to be the most interersting revenge she could think of. So I understand your frustration Kaly, when I read those reviews it seemed to me that they totally missed the point of the episode (and your tag, which was awesome!) Sam was POSSESSED! he doesn't remember stuff, because it wasn't him!! And as a side note to stupid reviewers, I didn't see anyone angsting that much over whether or not Dean apologised to Sam for the skinwalker beating him to a pulp - which is really the same thing as this episode  (i.e. then it wasn't Dean, and this time it wasn't Sam!!) sorry, enough ranting from me  Kaly, for an only child i think in this tag and your fics in general you capture the family dynamic perfectly and i totally agree with your take on where Dean and Sam come from. I'm a big sister and a little sister, and when I'm with my younger sibling I always have in the back of my mind "you're older, you're responsible, look after her" whereas when I'm with my big sister I always kind of sit back because I know she'll take care of things. so loved the fic, loved the episode, and please don't let stupid reviewers put you off!!!
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Thanks y'all so much, for the kind words about my tag to the episode and just all this insanity in general. I didn't really mean to stir anything up, I just had to vent after a couple of those comments and I figured this might be the place that would understand. And I'm so very glad y'all did - I'm not quite so jaded toward the fandom in general, atm.
I've told Gem in the past I refuse to let the EDGs take my show away from me - it just hit me a little unexpectedly, coming in the guise of story comments. But I guess I just needed to remember that, huh?
Y'all rock!
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Hey, y'all!
I bumped this old thread because I was just watching the Roadmap segment of the Season 2 DVDs, where you can click on a thumbtack on a US map and see or hear factoids about the episodes from the year (complete with where they were supposed to happen).
Anyway, I clicked on the BUABS tack, and it was a recorded message from Jared Padalecki about the episode.
I remember we discussed here at the time about Dean punching Sam at the end and what the writers might have been thinking...well, as it turns out, it wasn't written that way. JP and JA came up with it between takes by themselves, asked the director if they could try it, and then see if the producers down in LA would go for it, and it stayed in.
He said the idea was that Sam comes to, asked if he missed anything, and Dean's reaction would be something like "what?! You just beat the crap out of me and you don't even remember it?!" and then he'd punch Sam out of frustration.
I remember a few said it was out of character for Dean...and whether it is or not, the actors thought it'd work... 
Just thought it was interesting coming from the horse's mouth, so to speak.
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Quote: Originally Posted by tyranusfanI remember a few said it was out of character for Dean...and whether it is or not, the actors thought it'd work...
Just watched this and I'd have to agree with the actors, I think it was a typical Dean-thing to do. It wasn't exactly the first time Dean punched Sam, he does use violence against his brother (although when this episode aired it would have only been the 2nd time (?) he'd done it). I think it was a combination of pain and relief that he had his brother back and if you look at Sam's reaction I didn't have the feeling he was too surprised about the punch but more about the situation as such.
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Quote: Originally Posted by MikiyaQuote: Originally Posted by tyranusfanI remember a few said it was out of character for Dean...and whether it is or not, the actors thought it'd work... Just watched this and I'd have to agree with the actors, I think it was a typical Dean-thing to do. It wasn't exactly the first time Dean punched Sam, he does use violence against his brother (although when this episode aired it would have only been the 2nd time (?) he'd done it). I think it was a combination of pain and relief that he had his brother back and if you look at Sam's reaction I didn't have the feeling he was too surprised about the punch but more about the situation as such.
I think the boys are probably much more physical with each other than we've seen on the show. They're probably hitting each other all the time in "real life." I understand why we don't see it, since the producers want us to be shocked when Dean punches Sam or vice versa, that's TV, but I think in reality they'd be playfully "violent" with each other, as many brothers are.
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Quote: Originally Posted by tyranusfanQuote: Originally Posted by MikiyaQuote: Originally Posted by tyranusfanI remember a few said it was out of character for Dean...and whether it is or not, the actors thought it'd work... Just watched this and I'd have to agree with the actors, I think it was a typical Dean-thing to do. It wasn't exactly the first time Dean punched Sam, he does use violence against his brother (although when this episode aired it would have only been the 2nd time (?) he'd done it). I think it was a combination of pain and relief that he had his brother back and if you look at Sam's reaction I didn't have the feeling he was too surprised about the punch but more about the situation as such. I think the boys are probably much more physical with each other than we've seen on the show. They're probably hitting each other all the time in "real life." I understand why we don't see it, since the producers want us to be shocked when Dean punches Sam or vice versa, that's TV, but I think in reality they'd be playfully "violent" with each other, as many brothers are.
Not much to add other then I agree. We've even seen it a couple of times, like in the first Trickster ep when they pounce on each other on the bed... that wasn't 'hunter' kill or be killed fighting, it was 'brother' you've ticked me off and I'm gonna hurt you fighting. I bet this happens pretty often, in their 'real life'. My experience with my brothers has been actually more tactile than with the females in my family: i.e. guys tend to hug, touch, kick, and punch each other more than girls do (when girls arn't around). Maybe my family's weird. *shrug*
But, yeah, when I saw dean hit Sam in that sceen it not only felt right to me (Dean reaction wise) but made me laugh.
I do think that Dean's pretty violent with Sam (other punches come to mind) which makes me wonder about their childhood, and the fandom take that Dean was almost a perfect suraget father. I have my doubts... not that Dean didn't do his best for Sam, I'm sure he did, but Dean was a kid and kids tend to hit first and feel bad later. Dean's responces to Sam (and Sam's reaction to them) seem pretty patern based. Like from childhood, pattern based. In that sence, Dean's punching Sam when he gets emotionally vunerable is very much in character. Which makes Sam's explosion in season four so much deeper than even a responce to Dean's words echoing John's. And so much sadder.
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Not much to add other then I agree. We've even seen it a couple of times, like in the first Trickster ep when they pounce on each other on the bed... that wasn't 'hunter' kill or be killed fighting, it was 'brother' you've ticked me off and I'm gonna hurt you fighting. I bet this happens pretty often, in their 'real life'.
I do think that Dean's pretty violent with Sam (other punches come to mind) which makes me wonder about their childhood, and the fandom take that Dean was almost a perfect suraget father. I have my doubts... not that Dean didn't do his best for Sam, I'm sure he did, but Dean was a kid and kids tend to hit first and feel bad later. Dean's responces to Sam (and Sam's reaction to them) seem pretty patern based. Like from childhood, pattern based. In that sence, Dean's punching Sam when he gets emotionally vunerable is very much in character. Which makes Sam's explosion in season four so much deeper than even a responce to Dean's words echoing John's. And so much sadder.
Yeah, I doubt that was the first time they've beaten the hell out of each other, just the first time they meant it. I'd bet that it has happened before, and they end up sprawled on the floor laughing about it...just not this time.
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And I just love Sammy's reaction to the punch; it was such a little brother thing to do! As you already said, Ghost, they behaved pattern-like. Dean beats Sam for something and Sammy turns his hurt-puppy-dog eyes first on Dean and when that doesn't give him the desired reaction, he looks up at Bobby, hoping for the "right" reply. I tell you, those puppy-dog eyes of Sammy's are a weapon!
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